Using IBM Travelstar in USB Enclosure with
Windows
Jeffrey Harris writes:
I upgraded a drive in a Lombard PowerBook, and bought a Mercury
USB 1/2 enclosure from you to put the old 4.8 GB Travelstar to use
for backup. Worked fine on Macs.
I now have switched to a FireWire drive for the backup, and want
to use the USB drive on Windows.
Problem is, I can not see or initialize the drive from Windows
2000 or 98. Have tried 4-5 PCs.
The Travelstar has marked on it "Apple Firmware", which may mean
it can only be used on a Mac.
Do you know a workaround?
Low End Mac doesn't sell hardware; you couldn't have purchased
the enclosure from us. As for using the Mercury enclosure on a
Windows machine, I don't do Windows. Perhaps the manufacturer can
help.
PowerBooks and Static
George Alexander writes:
I sent an email to Bill Fox at macsonly.com
in response to one of his articles regarding modem disconnects, and
he remembered that some time ago, you had made mention of "static
problems" with the early TiBooks on your website.
I was wondering if you had managed to resolve the problem and
how?
If there is a link to an archive or similar on your site, I'd be
interested in following it up.
There is a search box in the upper left corner of every page
on the site. Typing in "static" lead me to the following article,
TiBook Report #7: Zap!. It included
the following comment: "My problem is with static electricity.
Static is usually associated with dry weather and carpeting, but
I've been able to zap my TiBook on a rainy day in a room with no
carpeting."
My initial solution was to touch the outer edge of the computer
before putting hands to keyboard. These days I've gone a step
further - I use a wireless keyboard and mouse. I didn't choose
them to address this problem, but eliminating static shock lockups
has been a nice side effect, one I wouldn't even have realized if
you hadn't asked this question.
I don't know if later revisions of the PowerBook G4 improved upon
this. Maybe we'll get some reports from the field in response to
posting this.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Based on your reply, it
appears that I wasn't clear enough (I hate when that happens) ...
As far as I can tell, there is no reason that you would have
to be OS 9 free to run SimCity 4 or any other OS X
program. As long as you're running Jaguar and have adequate
hardware, SC4 should work.
I wasn't implying that, except to say that I like OS X a lot,
and that I would prefer to just use OS X. :-)
Sonnet upgrades have a great reputation, and the 1 MB
level 2 cache will help you get the most out of the faster
processor, and these are designed to work with the beige
G3.
Unless you need to run a drive larger than 128 MB, there's not
much reason to invest in an ATA133 card. Most of today's hard
drives can't saturate a 66 MB/sec. bus, and the ATA66 version of
the Acard Ahard sells for about $20 less. It's the card we use in
our beige G3, and it works very nicely under both OS 9 and
X.
Thanks for clearing this up.
It looks like you've got plenty of memory, but to get the most
out of OS X, it wouldn't hurt to replace the 64 MB DIMM with
a 256 MB one.
Actually I don't. I'm a price conscious buyer. I don't know where
you are, but in America, we've mail-in rebates programs. If you're
diligent & patient enough (like, waiting a bit of time in
buying), it pays off.
With regards to the memory sticks, I was concerned as the 3 sticks
all have different bus speeds (66-100-133 MHz RAM). I was hoping not
to upgrade my drive IDE card (to ATA133) as that would mean loosing
both my stock 66 & bought 100 MHz cards. You cleared this up with
your answer above.
Whether the Radeon 7000 is the best PCI video card for the Mac
is a matter of value. The Radeon Mac Edition is a better card, but
it sells for about twice as much. Considering the difference in
price, the Radeon 7000 is probably the better value. According to
benchmarks on Bare Feats, the "Radeon PCI" is about 50% faster.
Whether it's work the price is your call.
The Radeon 8500 simply isn't an option for you. You can't use any
AGP video card in a computer without an AGP slot.
I was told that it was easier to buy the 8500 as it's newer &
more readily available. I would be paying a premium to buy these
"older" cards. Then again, I'm behind these graphic cards info. I
just realized that PCI + AGP are not interchangeable. I thought one
was faster/better than the other (like a 500 MHz or 1 GHz is
better than my 33 MHz CPU). My mistake, sorry.
* My Beige G3 is now more than 4.5 years old. No upgrades at all,
just stock, and only added the 2 RAM sticks & recently an
external HDD (photos & such). The only game I play (when I can)
is Sim City 3000. No game consoles, The Sims, UT3k, or whatever. I
still have board games. I'm a bit old school like that.
:-)
I looked at (perhaps recycling &) getting another used or
refurbished minitower; but with the rumoured "IBM-970 64-bit chip"
around the corner . . . maybe I'll just wait a bit
longer.
Then again, maybe I'll just be status quo & continue with my
Sim City 3000. But boy, my PC friend is really marketing that game
for the game company then. :-O
Thanks again, and if you've any further tips or advice to share,
will be really much appreciated by me.
If you can use just OS X and have no legacy games, utilities,
or applications that require OS 9, that's great. A lot of
long term Mac users don't have that option, though, since we may
be using discontinued programs (such as Claris Emailer and Home
Page) that will never be ported over to OS X.
As for memory sticks, as long as they're fast enough for your
computer, there's generally no problem mixing speeds. If you can
buy PC100 or PC133 for the same price as PC66 memory, go for
it.
As for our location, Low End Mac headquarters is in Grand Rapids,
Michigan, although we have writers from all over the US, some from
Canada, and a few from overseas. I'm familiar with rebates, hate
filling out the paperwork, hate the delays even more, and hate the
"you didn't dot this 'i' or cross this 't'" rejection letters
still more. Rebates are great when they work, but they can be a
real scam since the manufacturer realizes that a good percentage
of buyers won't apply or will fill out the paperwork
incorrectly.
ramseeker cuts
through the rebate nonsense and simply lists out-of-pocket prices
for memory, with or without shipping. Today they show 256 MB DIMMs
for the beige G3 from US$32.33 to $107 shipped. I don't always
pick the lowest cost vendor, but I usually pick from the three or
four lowest when buying memory for my Macs.
I'm very cost conscious. My first computer was a $129 Commodore
VIC-20, followed by a $99 Commodore 64. My first PC was a
refurbished Zenith Z-151, a 4.77 MHz DOS computer I bought in the
386 era. My first Mac was a Plus;
Apple gave it to me in a 1990 or 1991 holiday sales contest, so it
only cost me income tax.
The most expensive computer I purchased for myself was a 20 MHz
Centris 610 at a student
price of about $1,340 in mid 1993. I replaced it with a SuperMac
J700 at a liquidation price of $800 in mid 1998. I used that
until I started publishing Low End Mac full time in January 2001,
when Cobweb Publishing
bought the first 400 MHz titanium
PowerBook G4 to reach my dealer.
This is the fourth Mac I've used in 12 years with the operating
system. I get a lot of years out of my hardware; the cost per year
of ownership has been very reasonable. And I always look for
bargains - like the $77 1 MB SIMMs I bought for my Mac
Plus.
From my perspective, being able to have a 256 MB module delivered
to your door for $33 is an incredible bargain, and I don't have to
worry about rebate forms and "the check is in the mail" to get it
for such a reasonable price.
My advice is always to look at the total cost of the upgrades
you're considering, compare that to a comparable new or used
system, and see if the difference is more or less than you could
get for your old computer. If you're looking at a better video
card, bigger hard drive, more memory, better IDE controller, and
so on, it might be more economical to pick up a blue
& white G3, which already has a better (although not AGP)
video card, twice as fast an IDE bus (possibly eliminating the
need for the IDE card), a 50% faster memory bus, and probably
includes a larger hard drive to begin with. Or maybe a "low-end"
Power Mac G4 with AGP would provide the power you really need -
those Sims games get more demanding with each upgrade.
I can't tell you whether upgrading your beige G3 is a better or
worse choice than moving to a blue & white G3, a Sawtooth
G4, or even a refurbished 700
MHz eMac. With current deals
on the refurbished eMac, I'm considering one as my primary
computer, which would relegate my PowerBook G4 to backup and field
use.
A Question about B&W G3s
Chris Kilner writes:
I noticed that the power button on my B&W G3 turns amber when
I put it to sleep in OS 9.2 (and the fan/drives spin down), whereas
it stays green when I put it to sleep in OS X 10.2 (and the fan
doesn't spin down). I've read that "deep sleep" wasn't enabled until
the G4 came out (but not w/r/t any particular operating system). Can
you (or any Low End Mac readers) enlighten me on this issue?
I can't. Although we had b&w G3s at my last job, I left
before OS X left the beta stage.
There are some differences in the way OS X and the classic Mac OS
works which could account for the b&w G3 not sleeping as
deeply as newer models, but I'm not familiar with all the ins and
outs. Perhaps a reader will be able to enlighten us.
Back in the early days of OS X, support for third-party SCSI
PCI cards - including some Apple had included as build-to-order
options - was pretty much nonexistent. Things have improved since
then, and today SCSI is very well supported by OS X.
The first version of OS X I installed was 10.1. Everything just
worked. :-)
Apple's serial ports have always been RS422, not RS232, but
422 is a superset of 232, so pretty much any RS232 device can
connect to the Mac. (RS422 is what allowed Apple to use their
serial ports for LocalTalk networking.) Jaguar may not support the
serial ports - it doesn't support the floppy drive - but third
party drivers may be all it takes to let your GV modem work with
your beige G3 and OS X.
I haven't (knowingly) installed any third-party drivers. It just
works. :-)
As for Classic, it does its input and output through
OS X, so even if it were running, it would have to use X
resources to talk to your modem.
That's my understanding, too. Since my last note, I browsed across
a web page for XPostFacto,
which I hadn't read for a while. There are now some interesting
statements about G3s, despite that fact that the utility is primarily
aimed at Apple-unsupported Macs, the utility author claims that
some serial modems will work with OS X on beige G3s. If
some do and some don't, then that explains the contradictory
experiences.
I think we're dealing with a Gorgon's knot when we're trying
to figure out just what should, shouldn't, does, doesn't, might,
and might not work under OS X on the beige G3. According to
some recent discussions I've read, the serial ports are pretty
much fully supported for regular serial devices - but not for
anything that uses the LocalTalk protocol.
That said, the next issue is whether Apple or the manufacturer has
the drivers for the modem, printer, or other serial device in
question. Since Apple often used Global Village modems, it's not
surprising that OS X provides support.
Getting to the Power Mac 8500 Motherboard
Jeff Williams writes:
I happened onto your article (originally written in 1998 and
posted on Low End Mac) after a search on Google - which in turn was
prompted by problems I was experiencing on my PowerPC
8500.
I want to thank you for the valid and reliable information on
logic board batteries that you provided in your article. It's
reassuring to me that there are still people "out there" willing to
help others - mahalo nui loa (thank you very much) for the
peace of mind of knowing.
I have a follow-up question regarding my Mac 8500 - obtaining the
battery, removing the case - these are straightforward actions to
me. However, I hit a brick wall when I try to get to the logic board
- it has a Chinese puzzle motif to it, and I'm at a lost to know how
to open the brackets that hold it place so that I may access, remove,
and replace my dead clock battery.
I'm not all thumbs, and it would be a crime if I relegated to a
"tech" shop that'll charge me a 100 bucks. Can you help me, or point
me in the right direction as to how to properly access the logic
board?
Grateful in Hawaii
The bad news is that the Power Mac 8500, like the earlier
8100 and the Quadra
800 and 840av, used
one of the most user-hostile cases in Mac history. It's the only
Apple case to ever merit a Road
Apple rating.
It's been a few years since I've been inside one of these, but I
can pretty much walk you through it from memory.
Unplug the computer and disconnect all wires going to ports on
the back.
Remove the cover.
Remove any cards (NuBus or PCI, PDS, CPU) and set them
aside.
Disconnect any wires to the motherboard - SCSI, floppy,
CD-ROM sound, and speaker are the ones that come to mind. I may
have forgotten one or two.
Turn the computer so you're facing the back/bottom of the
motherboard. Remove the Philips head screw located near the center
of the motherboard.
Remove the plastic reset button (not on all models that use
this case - the 840av doesn't have it, but the Q800 does) and
make a mental note which way it fit.
Now you're finally ready to begin removing the motherboard.
There are one or two plastic tabs that prevent it from sliding
forward (or to the left if you're facing the bottom of the
motherboard). Loosen these and slide the motherboard about an inch
to the left.
If you've disconnected all the cables, the motherboard should
come out very easily at this point.
Install the new battery. If you've been thinking about a
memory upgrade, now is the time to do it. You don't want to go
through this again.
Reinstalling is even trickier. You have to line up all the
ports and pins and tabs before you can slide it into place. It may
take a few tries to get it all right.
Once that's done, you can verify that you've done it right by
putting the screw back that's near the center of the motherboard.
If it doesn't line up, you need to reseat the motherboard yet
again.
Then reinstall the plastic reset button.
Next reconnect all the internal cables.
Plug in all of your cards.
Don't bother putting the case on. Connect power, monitor, and
keyboard. Start computer with extensions off (hold the shift key
down). Listen for the bong. Look for video. If all seems well,
shut down, put on the cover, and pray you won't have to do it
again.
I hate this case. I had to work with a Q800, 840av, and 8100
at my last job. I got good at it, but this is a horrid case
design. You'll probably agree once you get it back together - if
not long before then.
Just wanted to add some information to your 05/22/2003 mailbag
concerning Jaguar not recognizing the RS422 serial ports on a Beige
G3. If Jaguar isn't recognizing the built-in serial ports on the
Beige, it's not due to Jaguar dropping support for the ports, unless
it specifically dropped support for the ports on just the Beige. I
have a WallStreet (stock 250
MHz G3, 512 MB RAM, 20 GB HD, stock CD-ROM, 13" screen) which runs
Jaguar (10.2.6), and everything on the WallStreet works perfectly,
including the VST Zip drive, the CD-ROM, and the built-in serial
ports. I use the serial ports to transfer programs to my Newton
(MP2000 upgraded by Apple to MP2100) using NewtSync.
I also have access to both wireless networks (through a Compaq
wireless PC-card and the IOXperts driver) and FireWire (using the
eMachines IEEE-1394 card that was being sold by OWC), both of which
work perfectly on the WallStreet under 10.2.6. iTunes 4 syncs my iPod
with my WallStreet using the eMachines PC-Card without a problem,
just as if the ports were built in.
The WallStreet running 10.2.6 certainly doesn't make me wait for
programs to load any more than the average Windows machine and is a
lot more stable at that. It's quite a usable combination, as well as
being a nice expandable machine with lots of connection options,
though I may eventually get one of the processor upgrades for it.
Thanks for the information. This seems to corroborate what
others are saying - that regular serial works, but LocalTalk
devices are not supported on the old Mac serial ports under
OS X.
Road Apple "Yikes"
After reading our Road Apple
report on the "Yikes!" version of the Power Mac G4, Al Shep
writes:
Let me start with my strong appreciation for your site and you.
You have done a great job of putting together this wonderful site for
the armature hacker (i.e., non-paid Mac pros). I spend a good chunk
of my time refurbishing used Macs, and I send everyone who wants info
on one to your site. Their is no better.
Now to the "but." I very much appreciated your information on
the 52xx series of Macs. I
found your links insightful and increased my appreciation of the
machine each time I read their intentional limitations. A 5200
was my first Mac, and I found it wonderful. I still use it, mainly as
a TV, but knowing its limitations really made it easier to circumvent
some issues.
I do have a problem with the whole Road Apple status. Yesterday I
read that the "Yikes!" received this rating. I like this only because
it lowers the eBay
price of these machines. I am though irked that this fine machine
gets lumped together with the 5200. Although I love my 5200, I
understand why it received the Road Apple rating, but the
"Yikes!"?
Labels are a shorthand for classifying things. The problem is that
people even shorten the label. Take the term thief. You can have for
example master thief, larcenist, grand larcenist, regular thief, and
petty thief. My son took a packet of gum while no one was looking and
walked out of the store with it. My wife was very upset and marched
him back in to apologize to the manager. She did not want this thief
getting away. Now I think thief is a pretty strong label for a four
year old (hey, call me a liberal). Petty thief might be more
appropriate, but to me still very harsh. In fact, I feel that any
variant on "thief" is too harsh.
I have read your pleas to Apple for a low-end low-priced Mac in
the lineup. Problem is this Mac would almost certainly be a Road
Apple. Anyone buying it would need to take into consideration when
buying it that the resale value of said Mac will be tainted by the
Road Apple label. This is unfair, as a low-end computer is not
necessarily any more compromised than a G4 is when you consider they
don't all have dual G4s (compromise for price), floppy drives
(current technology foolishly excluded), and whatever else you may
feel a modern computer needs. Consider if Apple had put back in the
floppy drive, maybe the iMac and B&W G3 would be considered Road
Apples due to this omission.
Don't get me wrong, I think you have good points with some of your
Road Apples, I just hate the idea of denigrating a perfectly fine
machine due to what is to me a minor issue. ADB was dead when Apple
removed it from the motherboard, and I was one of the low end buyers
who appreciated Apple having a lower-end Mac to the more capable
"Sawtooth" series. I knew my wife would not consider letting me buy a
"Sawtooth," but I could at least toy with the idea of convincing her
to buy a "Yikes!" Then their is the issue of AGP not being really
that big a deal when you consider that when the "Yikes!" came out,
basically only gamers appreciated AGP. PCI-66 kept up just fine, and
the video cards performed essentially the same for Photoshop and the
like. I also would ague that the biggest benefit for AGP Mac's is
Quartz Extreme, and for that I consider the Sawtooth Macs to be in
need of upgrades to really run "X" well (I do hear Panther might
change this).
Hope I did not offend. No, I don't think G4s need floppies (that
is why I still have an 8600 on my home network), and I do recognize
your points with the Road Apples, I just think especially in this
case that the scope is too broad and the label too harsh.
As to my son, the store manager did not want to do anything about
it and just accepted the gum back. Since he was letting my son off so
easily, my wife took my son to the police station so he could see
what jail was like. We discussed it when they got home, and I think
my liberal views on four year old thieves won out, and we took him
out for ice cream at Mickey D's. I think we can reform him.
We covered a lot of this territory in last week's Beige
G3 (Rev. A) No Road Apple. There are four levels of Road
Apples, and only the x200 series merits the worst rating. Most of
the single bullet Road Apples - including the Yikes! G4 - earn
the distinction not because they are poor computers, but because
they were unnecessarily crippled.
In the case of the Power Mac G4, Apple announced three models on
August 31, 1999. The 400 MHz model had PCI graphics, no AirPort
support, and a US$1,599 price. The 450 and 500 MHz models had AGP
graphics, AirPort support, and a faster memory bus. These started
at US$2,499. By comparison, Yikes! was a real value.
In mid-October, Apple reduced the Yikes! to 350 MHz with no change
in price. On the 1st of December, Apple replaced it with a 350 MHz
Sawtooth model at exactly the same price.
We knew about the differences between Yikes! and Sawtooth from the
start, but three months after Apple introduced Yikes! they phased
it out and replaced it with a Sawtooth model at the exact same
price. This tells me that it really didn't cost Apple any more to
use the superior motherboard; they chose to offer a compromised
design to unload excess inventory.
We have warned people away from the Yikes! since the beginning,
and Apple made that job a lot easier in December 1999. Yikes!
isn't a terrible computer, but it was deliberately cripple when
Apple could have sold an AGP model for the same price.
Our goal in awarding the Yikes! a single Road Apple is making
people aware that all Power Mac G4 models are not created equal.
We want people to understand what the Yikes! G4 is really worth
and not get suckered into paying nearly as much for it as they
would for an AGP machine.
I'm pleased at the way Yikes! prices have been dropping in recent
months. I hope Low End Mac has been part of helping Mac users and
sellers understand that Yikes! is little more than a blue &
white G3 with a G4 processor and a graphite case. At the right
price, it's a great value. We're doing our best to help define
that price in comparison to the b&w G3 and AGP G4s.
Value of a StarMax
Yuka Tero writes:
I think I'm completely wrong to Email you, but I thought you might
be able to help me.
I am using StarMax 3000/180,
which I bought at £500 with monitor, extra hard drive, and
printer two years ago. Was it a right pricing, you think?
Anyway, now I'm thinking of selling it, but some people say I
won't be able to sell it, because it's worth nothing nowadays. One
said it would be £50 at most. Is it true??
I've browsed the web and it seems it would cost $60-$100
(hard drive only??), but I'm not really sure. I don't know much -
that's why I bought it at £500!!
It would be great if you know the current market value of StarMax
3000/180 and you could let me know.
Thank you so much for your time.
Here in the States, the StarMax 3000 is selling for $20-30 on
eBay.
I really don't know what they were selling for two years ago or
the exchange rate between US dollars and British pounds (which has
also changed over the past two years).
Whether you got a good deal depends on the size and quality of the
monitor, size of the hard drive, and value of the printer. Still,
I'd guess you paid on the high side.
Over the past two years, a lot has changed in the Mac world. Mac
OS X is the biggest change, and it's not supported on your
StarMax. The value of any Mac that doesn't support OS X is
falling faster than for those models that do support OS X.
That's definitely a factor.
Other factors are a very limited memory ceiling on the StarMax
(160 MB maximum), the generally mediocre build quality, and the
fact that Motorola dropped the line five years ago.
All things considered, with so little market value left in the
computer, your best bet might be keeping it around as a second
computer. Depending on what you buy next, you may still be able to
use your monitor, printer, and extra hard drive.
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